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German| Date: 2005-11-17 19:22:56 |
| From: BLVDDAD@aol.com |
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASSIFICATION - PUZZLE!! |
| Dear Ray, You may want to read this description of the VDP accord, available on their website. I'm assuming that German is your native language. The English web site is not at all as specific as this. _www.grossesgewaechs.com/_ (www.grossesgewaechs.com/) 1. In my experience, the word Spätlese is mentioned somewhere on the label of every dry Grosses gewachs I've seen. Is your experience different? There are many requirements that we haven't talked about: Bottle aging, hand-harvesting, yield, labeling, and so forth. This in part accounts for the high prices required for these wines. One could guess that the prices will settle down once the market does. 2. It is APPARENTLY the intention of the VDP to allow dessert-style wines (Auslese and above) to be marketed under the GG/EL scheme. It's only the Spätlese wines that are to be dry. I don't think that the regulations for the richer wines are available yet, or if they are, their impact isn't being felt. The term Auslese trocken, however, is to be avoided, since it's felt that this has caused lots of confusion in the past. So an Auslese-level wine would have to be marketed as a Spätlese or not under this protocol. This distinction with regard to Mosel Spätlese wines being dry only is apparently the intention of the VDP. Later there will be sweet Auslesen, if there are not already. 3. There is little chance that fruity-sweet German wines will stop being produced. There IS a chance that Germans will start drinking more of their own high-quality wines, instead of importing so much top stuff from elsewhere. This may reduce the production somewhat of the fruity-sweet wines. The demand for the top-site wines in the dry category is still an open question as regards to the world trade. 4. The Grand Cru system (as you call it) is different in intention from the Classic/Selection system, and is considerably more restrictive. If the Classic and Selection category is removed, it will be on its own merits and not on account of the other. It has a decidedly mixed success here in the USA. 5. 'Selection' wines can be of very high quality, but the site specificity is not there. The yields and harvest methods ARE restricted, however.. It's also permitted to have more residual sugar on a sliding scale. Best, John Trombley In a message dated 11/17/2005 7:59:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, raymd@singnet.com.sg writes: Sorry for asking so many questions. I want to know more about the wine I like so much to drink 1) Can I say, though "Spatlese" is not mentioned on the label of a Grosses Gewaechs; it comes under QmP therefore it is not chaptalized? 2) It is true that Mosel Riesling classified under "Erste Lage" (which is also Grand Cru like Grosses Gewaechs) can be mildly sweet and not necessarily dry? 3) Considering the global demand for dry or very dry wines, do you guys foresee that Germany will eventually stop producing those lovingly fruity Riesling? 4) Will the "Classic" & "Selection" classification be kept or it will be finally be replaced the Grand Cru system? 5) How does a wine under "Selection" compare to one under "Grosses Gewaechs" in terms of quality? Regards Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <Peter.Gebler@t-online.de> To: <wineforum@wein-plus.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [wineforum] Re: GERMAN CLASSIFICATION - PUZZLE!! > Raymond, > > 1) no chaptalising permitted on either wine - once you are at QmP level, which includes regular Spätlese, chaptalising is prohibited; > 2) given that it is the same producer (and presumably vintage), expect the Großes Gewächs to be better, i.e. more concentrated. > > Enjoy the wines, and let the forum know your tasting notes. > > Cheers, > Peter > > "Raymond" <raymd@singnet.com.sg> schrieb: > > Thanks Peter > > I suppose it's not wrong to think that a Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling > > Spätlese Trocken can be as good as a Riesling Großes Gewächs from the same > > vineyard. > > Are wines under Großes Gewächs allowed to be chapterlized? > > Ray > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Peter.Gebler@t-online.de> > > To: <wineforum@wein-plus.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:40 AM > > Subject: [wineforum] Re: GERMAN CLASSIFICATION - PUZZLE!! > > > > > > > Dear raymond, > > > > > > cutting the 10 pages of possible information down to a minimum: the Gro ße > > s Gewächs must come from a specially classified first growth vineyard, in > > this case most probably in the Rheingau. The must weight would likely be > > the same as for the Spätlese trocken, and the wine would also be in a dry > > style, but the Spätlese trocken could be from any registered vineyard, most > > probably not from a first growth vineyard. In the Rheingau, one third of > > all vineyard area is classified Großes Gewächs. > > > > > > There are some more rules, but this should help. There is no guarantee > > whatsoever that the Großes Gewächs will be better than the Spätle se > > trocken, the only near certainty is that it will be more expensive than the > > Spätlese - there are virtually no Große Gewächse below about 23 Euros per > > bottle. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Peter > > > "Raymond" <raymd@singnet.com.sg> schrieb: > > > > > > > > Love the wine but dislike that fickle clasification. What's the > > > > difference between a Riesling Großes Gewächs and a Riesling Spatlese > > > > trocken? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > This message was created using the Web-based forum : > > > > www.wein-plus.com/forum/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More infos: www.wein-plus.com Unsubscribe: www.wein-plus.com/abmelden.htm More infos: www.wein-plus.com Unsubscribe: www.wein-plus.com/abmelden.htm |
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