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Date: 2005-04-02 17:06:07
From: jim rose

Subject: RE: Liebfrauenmilch (was: Hi Fellow ..

Hi Peter,
Your comment is very interesting.
On one hand we have an opinion that Liebfrau--milch with an 'en' is good,
but without an 'en' is poor.
You have corrected the originator of this opinion, and stated that both are
high quality.
I, for one, had never realised there was a difference is the spelling.
Having sampled a 'Liebfrau**milch, (whether of the type with an 'en' in the
description I have no idea), and thought it to be worthy of a top mark.
Until, that is, I was fortunate to be offered a Riesling of the Mosel-Saar
region.
In my opinion that wine was of the highest quality, and suited my palate
beautifully. However I have since found that these Rieslings are very
difficult to find.
Obviously the markets I've tried are of the 'bulk' purchase kind,
Supermarkets, Named off-licences, etc., so it would seem that either direct
buying, or finding a 'Select' wine merchant is the only alternative.
This hardly contributes to the wine forum discussion, except to reinforce
the opinion of many, that the 'Slightly Dry, Slightly Sweet and nicely Sweet
wines, of the Riesling variety, are very well liked by many regular white
wine drinkers.
(It's a pity there are no Red Wines with the lightness of the 'whites', or
are there?)
Please, long may the Rieslings continue.
Best Regards,
Jim Rose.


-----Original Message-----
From: wineforum_owner@apris.de [mailto:wineforum_owner@apris.de] On Behalf
Of Peter Gebler
Sent: 02 April 2005 14:39
To: wineforum@wein-plus.com
Subject: [wineforum] Re: Liebfrauenmilch (was: Hi Fellow ..

Raymond,

I would just like to get rid of an inaccuracy that has crept into this
otherwise interesting discussion.

In fact, Liebfraumilch and Liebfrauenmilch are synonymous, and used
interchangeably. Both versions go back the two single vineyard sites in
Worms, situated next to the Church of Our Lady (Unsere Liebe Frau) known
even today as the "Liebfrauenstift" and the "Liebfrauenstift Kirchenstück ".
These are the high-quality wines, examples in the USA will usually be by
producer Valckenberg, who own most of the vineyard.

Cheers
Peter




"Raymond" <raymd@singnet.com.sg> schrieb:
> Wow! the spelling of the two words are really close. "Liebfrauenmilch"
and
> "Liebfraumilch".
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wolfgang Raible" <kamiwolf@cba.att.ne.jp>
> To: <wineforum@wein-plus.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 5:27 AM
> Subject: [wineforum] Liebfrauenmilch (was: Hi Fellow Wine Buddies, I've a
> Question
>
>
> > Bjoern, sorry, but you confuse a high quality wine, that is called
> > 'Liebfrauenmilch' with a very low quality liquid sold as 'wine', that
is
> > called 'Liebfraumilch'. The first is a very small vintage grown around
the
> > cathedral of Worms producing very few of that wine. The latter is
> 'pansched'
> > together from all sorts of left overs.
> > Try the 'Liebfrauenmilch' !
> > Prost
> > Wolf
>




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